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schiit YGGDRASIL 已经出了，有大神已经听过了吗？
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售价2299刀，和传闻一样，貌似用到了很厉害的科技，Closed-Form数字滤波器，和高精度的DA转换，Adapticlock and USB Gen 3， 前者能自动检测信号来源的频率和jitter并做出调整。已经有大神听过了吗？
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上周订了两台。。正在排队，到时候试试ygg+rag+he1000能有什么样水平[ 此贴被我晕哈在 12:22重新编辑 ]
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headfi 上给Ygg有极高的评价啊。。。搞得我想换音源了。
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不知道ygg+rag的西装推HD800如何
coreplayer
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我也订了一台， CA被税了200多，已经准备好Rag+HD800了。据官方说这机器得24/7开着。。。
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Quote:引用第1楼我晕哈于 12:08发表的& :上周订了两台。。正在排队，到时候试试ygg+rag+he1000能有什么样水平等评测~ 预计得15年6月才能到吧？
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Quote:引用第2楼soulorc于 12:17发表的& :headfi 上给Ygg有极高的评价啊。。。搞得我想换音源了。有老外说这台打败了2万刀的dac。。。虽然说老外个个喜爱吹牛，但我感觉这牛吹的有点狠啊。。所以赶紧跑回绿坛征求一下大家建议。 2299刀确实是很好的价格，我个人准备入了
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Quote:引用第3楼脑洞略大于 12:21发表的& :不知道ygg+rag的西装推HD800如何 目前来看rag推800肯定是没问题的，看各种文章，推得不错
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Quote:引用第4楼coreplayer于 12:38发表的& :我也订了一台， CA被税了200多，已经准备好Rag+HD800了。据官方说这机器得24/7开着。。。为啥不让店家把价格报低一点.......
coreplayer
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Quote:引用第8楼henryxiao于 12:43发表的& :为啥不让店家把价格报低一点.......加州的税。
唯爱莫扎特
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这价格有点低啊用料看上去很豪华 应该不错
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Quote:引用第9楼coreplayer于 12:48发表的& :加州的税。原来如此...
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本来等着5-7天发货，然后突然变成了6月。。。
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不抱期望，耳放还可以，dac就算啦
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Quote:引用第13楼snova于 16:20发表的& :不抱期望，耳放还可以，dac就算啦没听过, 评测不相信 直接黑 赞&
唯爱莫扎特
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Quote:引用第14楼matthewyih于 16:35发表的& :没听过, 评测不相信 直接黑 赞  不过我确实听说过传闻说这家的声音比较怪 没乐感
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我只爱亚亚！
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好东西，西装耳放也一起买吧~
剁手党....
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坐等土豪评测.....
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Originally Posted by lekoross
Ok, got it. Wise advice and much appreciated. Last question... Magni vs. Vali - noticeable sound difference or no? If yes, how would you describe it, particularly on HD600's?
Yes, noticeable sound difference to me, in favor of the Vali. Based on listening thru the hd600's.
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Originally Posted by tonykaz
Perhaps it matters a bit or a good bit.
It's akin to having your photos a bit out of focus, you can still see the image properly if it's a bit off but when you see the image as perfectly sharp you immediately recognize it as better.
So now it comes down to the question of : can we afford a sharper focus on our music?
Professionals have no choice but to pursue the most accurate representation they can achieve, their patrons pay for it and demand it.
We civilians are beginning to be offered the professional level of accuracy and sharpness that produces the music we enjoy, we are about to be reconverting our digital bits in a much better manner, this is a thumb nail sketch of what this DAC race is all about: it's coming down to consumer price levels, we are about to realize the promise of digital that the original creators ( Sony & Philips ) promised and have been promising all this time ( since the mid-1980s ).
It's getting very good for us now, it's about time.
We can let-go of those turntables and have a nice audio system whilst sitting on a bench in a Park.
Tony in Michigan
I strongly disagree. I tried a bunch of different sub-$300 dacs and found that they offered marginal extremely subtle improvements. None of them had as dramatic impact on sound quality as switching headphones. Not only that, it seemed to me that the differences between dacs were more different flavors rather than one actually performing better than another. From my experience, having a sub-$300 dac or not hardly makes that large of difference. I personally would recommend newcomers to spend that extra $300 into their headphones as the sonic differences are much more dramatic.
I am moving up in price point to the bifrost uber which is considered to be one of the best dacs you can get for $500ish, and we'll see how much of a difference it makes.
note that many audio professionals use headphones like the sub-$100 sony mdrv6 or mdr7506 so I think the whole idea that you need more components or expensive headphones to hear music properly is one of the audio industry's biggest myths.
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Originally Posted by Billheiser
Yes, noticeable sound difference to me, in favor of the Vali. Based on listening thru the hd600's.
Hm, I wonder how the Magni 2 Uber and Vali compare.
How would you describe the tonal balance (ie neutrality) of the Vali? (I know some tubes can achieve neutral sound.)
Originally Posted by money4me247
I strongly disagree. I tried a bunch of different sub-$300 dacs and found that they offered marginal extremely subtle improvements. None of them had as dramatic impact on sound quality as switching headphones. Not only that, it seemed to me that the differences between dacs were more different flavors rather than one actually performing better than another. From my experience, having a sub-$300 dac or not hardly makes that large of difference. I personally would recommend newcomers to spend that extra $300 into their headphones as the sonic differences are much more dramatic.
I am moving up in price point to the bifrost uber which is considered to be one of the best dacs you can get for $500ish, and we'll see how much of a difference it makes.
note that many audio professionals use headphones like the sub-$100 sony mdrv6 or mdr7506 so I think the whole idea that you need more components or expensive headphones to hear music properly is one of the audio industry's biggest myths.
But he was obviously talking about ultra-high-end DACs.
(And how affordable stuff is getting much better.)
It's funny you mention those headphones, because I got my newest pair specifically because they outperformed those two.
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Wow. I should have bought those sonys, and called it a day. O.o
Originally Posted by money4me247
I strongly disagree. I tried a bunch of different sub-$300 dacs and found that they offered marginal extremely subtle improvements. None of them had as dramatic impact on sound quality as switching headphones. Not only that, it seemed to me that the differences between dacs were more different flavors rather than one actually performing better than another. From my experience, having a sub-$300 dac or not hardly makes that large of difference. I personally would recommend newcomers to spend that extra $300 into their headphones as the sonic differences are much more dramatic.
I am moving up in price point to the bifrost uber which is considered to be one of the best dacs you can get for $500ish, and we'll see how much of a difference it makes.
note that many audio professionals use headphones like the sub-$100 sony mdrv6 or mdr7506 so I think the whole idea that you need more components or expensive headphones to hear music properly is one of the audio industry's biggest myths.
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Originally Posted by Music Alchemist
How would you describe the tonal balance (ie neutrality) of the Vali? (I know some tubes can achieve neutral sound.)
I w I would call the Magni neutral too. But somehow the Vali is more pleasurable to me. More sense of depth, maybe. The Magni seemed just a bit cold to me.
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Originally Posted by Billheiser
I w I would call the Magni neutral too. But somehow the Vali is more pleasurable to me. More sense of depth, maybe. The Magni seemed just a bit cold to me.
never heard the old magni. but the 2 uber is not cold. i think it just amplified the sound without that much coloration.
im using very low impedance grado and sony headphone. and my assessment aren't the best.
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Joined 4/2005
Originally Posted by scizzro
What about decent computer sound cards? Is it worth it to upgrade an X-Fi Titanium HD to say a Bifrost Uber, or would that money be better spent on different headphones?
In my experience, which is not the experience of everyone, DACs make a difference if and only if you have audible noise from interfering electronics in your source. So if you hear static when you move your mouse or whatever, get a DAC. If you don't hear any obvious problems, I doubt you'll hear any benefit. (I like
of the difference with an external DAC: "with my most sensitive headphones (the TH900), nothing playing, and the volume cranked very high — higher than I’d ever play music — I can hear very slight noise from my Mac’s output that isn’t present on the Bifrost’s. But I rarely listen to extremely loud silence.")
But of course many people say there are differences, so whatever. Either they're hearing things I don't hear, they're imagining things, or I just haven't heard the right DACs (Benchmark DAC-1 and Headroom Micro are the ones I've personally tested).
Either way, it's not even close to the difference that you'd hear by getting different headphones, so if you think your headphones aren't super-awesome and have no problems with your source, I'd spend the money on headphones. If you already have high-end headphones, well, if you're in this for the hobbyist aspects and have the disposable money, then go ahead and grab a DAC, because why not. It'll certainly measure better, and maybe you c at the very least, you can be satisfied that your signal path is all optimized in a purist-y way. I go to the trouble of running USB out from my tablet to my DAC for basically that reason -- I don't think I can hear a difference, but it pleases me on principle.
Edited by mkozlows - 12/28/14 at 9:58pm
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if your headphone is a sr60 sr80 grado, you need DAC more than you need an amp though.
especially if your motherboard or laptop is crap.
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Joined 2/2013
Location: Illinois
I have a few combined DAC/AMP units, and I find some have more micro detail and a tighter, higher resolution sound than others. (Better bass punch and sound stage as well!)
You guys think it is the amp part that is causing the improved detailing and tighter, cleaner sound rather than the DAC? It has to be one of the two since I am hearing obvious differences in sound.
Edited by TWerk - 12/28/14 at 11:12pm
13,141 Posts.
Joined 12/2013
Location: Michigan, USA
Originally Posted by TWerk
I have a few combined DAC/AMP units, and I find some have more micro detail and a tighter, higher resolution sound than others. (Better bass punch and sound stage as well!)
You guys think it is the amp part that is causing the improved detailing and tighter, cleaner sound rather than the DAC? It has to be one of the two since I am hearing obvious differences in sound.
If the body of Head-Fi knowledge (ahem, opinions) is to be taken at face value, it could easily be both.
489 Posts.
Joined 6/2014
Location: Southern Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted by Music Alchemist
I've said it before and I'll say it again: if you use your computer's built-in DAC instead of a better external one, it may end up sounding quite awful, or at least a little bland. Let's say, hypothetically, your computer's built-in DAC is particularly inferior. If in that scenario you use just an external amp, you are merely amplifying that "inferior" signal.
Amen to that. Let's not forget we're talking about shelling out $99 or $149 for a Modi, not thousands of dollars. The original Modi & Magni do a terrific job of improving my computer's sound. My Hifiman HE500's, Sennheiser 650's, Beyerdynamics DT1350's and Grado SR80's all sound wonderful through the original combo. If you don't believe me, then check out the thread on the original equipment. Rest assured the Schiit boys know they have a great combo and I don't think they are going to tamper too much with a successful and well known formula. Im betting the 2/?bers will sound much like (possibly a bit "better" than the) originals.Edited by Tuneslover - 12/29/14 at 6:50pm
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Location: The Phantom Zone
Originally Posted by tonykaz
Perhaps it matters a bit or a good bit.
It's akin to having your photos a bit out of focus, you can still see the image properly if it's a bit off but when you see the image as perfectly sharp you immediately recognize it as better.
So now it comes down to the question of : can we afford a sharper focus on our music?
Professionals have no choice but to pursue the most accurate representation they can achieve, their patrons pay for it and demand it.
We civilians are beginning to be offered the professional level of accuracy and sharpness that produces the music we enjoy, we are about to be reconverting our digital bits in a much better manner, this is a thumb nail sketch of what this DAC race is all about: it's coming down to consumer price levels, we are about to realize the promise of digital that the original creators ( Sony & Philips ) promised and have been promising all this time ( since the mid-1980s ).
It's getting very good for us now, it's about time.
We can let-go of those turntables and have a nice audio system whilst sitting on a bench in a Park.
Tony in Michigan
That's not an answer. How is a few PPM in the crystal's ferquency going to affect the playback of music when using a commercial DAC? The answer is, soundwise imperceptible, dollarwise ouch.
6,328 Posts.
Joined 1/2013
Location: USA
Originally Posted by tonykaz
Perhaps it matters a bit or a good bit.
It's akin to having your photos a bit out of focus, you can still see the image properly if it's a bit off but when you see the image as perfectly sharp you immediately recognize it as better.
So now it comes down to the question of : can we afford a sharper focus on our music?
Tony in Michigan
It's interesting how you bring up photography as a parallel. The difference in photography is that you can easily direct compare two photos simultaneously. Hence, photography is relatively devoid of scams or skechy claims such as the cable debate or burn in debate or sampling rate debate that have never been scientifically proven. In the audio hobby, a simultaneous comparision is impossible. People around here seldom even do a blind ABx comparision (which would be the next best thing), yet often make a lot of sonic claims. That's fine btw. Just that in reality a lot of these sonic differences you read abt are not as obvious or even really unidentifiable when rigorously tested. ur opinion may differ & ymmv, but srsly, how many ppl around here doin a dac comparision do a double blind volume matched test? probably zero. so a lot of info here are really just subjective personal opinions that cannot be proven or disproven.
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Wow. This thread is a train wreck. Lol
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